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mark_asphodelTechnically speaking, "Infinite Regalia" contains a wealth of information that can be used for meta on Fire Emblem's bad endings, afterlife and resurrection meta, and stuff like this. I just can't bring myself to discuss it because it's presented in a manner that jacks the Disturb-O-Meter past FE5 levels of Fucking Disturbing.
And FE5's "Deadlords" are really, really disturbing.
The text is all here. Basically, the interaction with the Gen 1 characters is mostly funny while the interaction between the Deadlords and the Gen 2 characters is anything but, and the overall effect is more like the modern tongue-in-cheek self-aware zombie phenomenon. I don't even know where to begin applying this stuff.
Then there's the Lost Bloodlines series (the Marth vs Seliph stuff), and I don't really know where to begin with that, either. It's kind of all over the place. In some places the Einherjar show glimmers of awareness and I get the idea there's supposed to be something more to them than just puppets (Chrom and Co. also get that feeling-- it's pretty explicit). In some places they feel like one-dimensional actual cardboard figures they're purported to be (I don't like how Ethlyn's written, for a start). Some of the Einherjar feel pretty alive and, I don't know... themselves? I think the "new" characters from FE11/12 feel pretty vivid, which may be telling. They were, after all, made up out of whole cloth. Some of the Jugdrali sound more alive than others. IDK.
Stuff I liked:
Jamke's "you curse like a pirate" conversation with Sully was pretty funny.
I liked Norne's interactions with Noire because I like Norne in anything.
The conversation in LB2 between Raquesis and Maribelle was good and felt surprisingly sincere.
Henry vs Merric had some nice moments, particularly when Merric took Henry up on an offer to demonstrate "horrible torment" in LB2. You go, Merric.
Arvis being totally unimpressed by Severa was funny.
Etzel seems a bit of a scoundrel in his battle chat with Gaius. I remembered him as being more earnest than that, but I haven't seen any of his FE12 dialogue yet so maybe that's where the low-life vibe originates.
Caeda tried to recruit Sumia using her "Do you believe in love?" gimmick.
The two Minervas, heh.
I like Inigo trying to score with Larcei.
Alm calling for his Grandpapa. :(
Stuff I didn't like:
The inevitable conversation between Catria and Cordelia. Yo, IS. Catria/Marth used to be my OTP. Then you took that interesting amorphous nugget of potential, hammered it into a flat fucking pancake, and started mass-producing it. Leave my OTPs alone.
F!Robin's intimation that Marth was screwing F!Kris was totally unnecessary, and the part where Marth called Kris his soulmate made me retch. Though this does serve as a counter to people who claim the Lyn/Robin dialogue is OMG proof that Robin is the FE7 Tactician, I guess. Kris/Robin/Mark can't all be the same in-universe being... can they?
OK, I yield. Alm and Celica are psychological siblings. Who get married, I guess. I'd thought they were just Close Childhood Friends but I guess they're the first outright case of Banging My Beloved Sister, Yo.
Seliph is made to talk very... formally. I preferred his kinda slangy FE4 fan-translation self, as it fit with his upbringing-- gang of friends, Shanan as a role model, etc.
Training freak Eyvel. Stop with that shit, please.
Then there's this exchange in LB2:
Chrom
That was Arvis...the villain in every Jugdrali saga I've ever heard. ...So why does he come across as so pleasant?
Robin
History decides heroes and villains on a different basis than reality. Perhaps the stories got Arvis wrong. He did lose out in the end, after all...
You know all those moments where FE13 felt like it was going to do something really interesting in a moral sense and just didn't deliver? Yeah, this is another. Robin, you're a philosophical cocktease.
Really the Einherjar are really the best weasel device in fandom. If something in the DLC bolsters your pet theory about a beloved NES/SNES character, you can point to the DLC and go "See? See? Word of God!" If you don't like their new speech quirk or personality transplant, you can wave it off with, "Eh, it's not really them-- it's an artist's rendering of the real thing."
And then, after all, this is merely canon fanfic, right? Some scriptwriting intern could've been plopped down with the 20th Anniversary Artbook and told to compile a three-to-five word description of every relevant character and then produce dialogue based on the lists. So you get a fairly bland Arthur without his moments of towering rage and this really wussy Nanna who doesn't match up to her FE4 counterpart. Not to mention an Ethlyn who apparently belongs in the kitchen. So yeah... they're artists' renderings.
Maybe.
And FE5's "Deadlords" are really, really disturbing.
The text is all here. Basically, the interaction with the Gen 1 characters is mostly funny while the interaction between the Deadlords and the Gen 2 characters is anything but, and the overall effect is more like the modern tongue-in-cheek self-aware zombie phenomenon. I don't even know where to begin applying this stuff.
Then there's the Lost Bloodlines series (the Marth vs Seliph stuff), and I don't really know where to begin with that, either. It's kind of all over the place. In some places the Einherjar show glimmers of awareness and I get the idea there's supposed to be something more to them than just puppets (Chrom and Co. also get that feeling-- it's pretty explicit). In some places they feel like one-dimensional actual cardboard figures they're purported to be (I don't like how Ethlyn's written, for a start). Some of the Einherjar feel pretty alive and, I don't know... themselves? I think the "new" characters from FE11/12 feel pretty vivid, which may be telling. They were, after all, made up out of whole cloth. Some of the Jugdrali sound more alive than others. IDK.
Stuff I liked:
Jamke's "you curse like a pirate" conversation with Sully was pretty funny.
I liked Norne's interactions with Noire because I like Norne in anything.
The conversation in LB2 between Raquesis and Maribelle was good and felt surprisingly sincere.
Henry vs Merric had some nice moments, particularly when Merric took Henry up on an offer to demonstrate "horrible torment" in LB2. You go, Merric.
Arvis being totally unimpressed by Severa was funny.
Etzel seems a bit of a scoundrel in his battle chat with Gaius. I remembered him as being more earnest than that, but I haven't seen any of his FE12 dialogue yet so maybe that's where the low-life vibe originates.
Caeda tried to recruit Sumia using her "Do you believe in love?" gimmick.
The two Minervas, heh.
I like Inigo trying to score with Larcei.
Alm calling for his Grandpapa. :(
Stuff I didn't like:
The inevitable conversation between Catria and Cordelia. Yo, IS. Catria/Marth used to be my OTP. Then you took that interesting amorphous nugget of potential, hammered it into a flat fucking pancake, and started mass-producing it. Leave my OTPs alone.
F!Robin's intimation that Marth was screwing F!Kris was totally unnecessary, and the part where Marth called Kris his soulmate made me retch. Though this does serve as a counter to people who claim the Lyn/Robin dialogue is OMG proof that Robin is the FE7 Tactician, I guess. Kris/Robin/Mark can't all be the same in-universe being... can they?
OK, I yield. Alm and Celica are psychological siblings. Who get married, I guess. I'd thought they were just Close Childhood Friends but I guess they're the first outright case of Banging My Beloved Sister, Yo.
Seliph is made to talk very... formally. I preferred his kinda slangy FE4 fan-translation self, as it fit with his upbringing-- gang of friends, Shanan as a role model, etc.
Training freak Eyvel. Stop with that shit, please.
Then there's this exchange in LB2:
Chrom
That was Arvis...the villain in every Jugdrali saga I've ever heard. ...So why does he come across as so pleasant?
Robin
History decides heroes and villains on a different basis than reality. Perhaps the stories got Arvis wrong. He did lose out in the end, after all...
You know all those moments where FE13 felt like it was going to do something really interesting in a moral sense and just didn't deliver? Yeah, this is another. Robin, you're a philosophical cocktease.
Really the Einherjar are really the best weasel device in fandom. If something in the DLC bolsters your pet theory about a beloved NES/SNES character, you can point to the DLC and go "See? See? Word of God!" If you don't like their new speech quirk or personality transplant, you can wave it off with, "Eh, it's not really them-- it's an artist's rendering of the real thing."
And then, after all, this is merely canon fanfic, right? Some scriptwriting intern could've been plopped down with the 20th Anniversary Artbook and told to compile a three-to-five word description of every relevant character and then produce dialogue based on the lists. So you get a fairly bland Arthur without his moments of towering rage and this really wussy Nanna who doesn't match up to her FE4 counterpart. Not to mention an Ethlyn who apparently belongs in the kitchen. So yeah... they're artists' renderings.
Maybe.
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Date: 2013-04-06 01:38 pm (UTC)The missing Jugdrali Dragon god: Sue.
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Date: 2013-04-06 03:36 pm (UTC)obligatory grumbling: how did henry get turned from a childish wuss afraid of pain into a masochistAnyway, as I see it, this stuff (for non-FE13 characters) is popcorn, like the stuff that various mangas and adaptions purport. If you've got blank space and you'd like to use this to fill it, better this than something invented out of nothing, but no need to take it as authoritative.
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Date: 2013-04-06 09:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-07 01:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-08 01:02 am (UTC)It is. Sadly.