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Holiday Meta: Archanea/Valencia

Holidays!  Everyone likes holidays...Holy days, festivals, whatever.  I mean, we know the FE characters don’t actually celebrate Christmas, right?

[Please say yes-- unless you’re writing an FE/Narnia crossover or something...]

Now, first off... I see no reason to assume, unless it’s stated somewhere in the games, that the various cultures observe a mandatory “day of rest” once a week.  Those of us in countries with a predominantly Abrahamic-derived culture may think that’s normal, but IIRC the ancient Romans, among other peoples, found this “rest on the seventh day” thing pretty bizarre.

So, no need to assume that all the shops in Pales close on Sunday.  Or Saturday, or Friday... or Tuesday, even!  Or that they even CALL these days Sunday, Tuesday, and so on...

Now, I see Sofian culture as being pretty holiday-happy.  They’re known for being averse to “toil,” and for having a good life handed to them by the goddess Mila.  If anyone in all of Fire Emblem takes the weekends off, it’s Sofians.  They probably do have a day of rest-- hell, they might take a week off every moon-cycle.  And I expect they love parades, fiestas, and other celebrations of Mila’s beneficence and their own happy lives.  At least until Mila gets sealed and the famine strikes...

Rigel?  Hell no.  I’d expect them to have religious observances in honor of Doma-- perhaps something like the civic/religious holidays of the ancient world, with offerings to Doma and probably games and contests-of-arms.  

Archanea is a more complex picture; I’d expect that the overall human culture probably celebrates some holiday in honor of the Guardian God, while the individuals countries have various seasonal festivals plus a civic/religious holiday or three honoring the local culture hero.  So, you can bet that the Alteans celebrate the birthday or coronation day or some analogue of a saint’s day for Anri... and their neighbors in Gra emphatically do not.  And probably each country that faced destruction in the Liberation Wars has some kind of liberation-day celebrations.  Maybe Macedon has the Glorious Revolt of the Peoples Day or something like that.  Pyrathi probably has some very weird observances-- maybe with the exiles observing their familiar holidays on the down-low.

Of course, after the events of 604-608, I’m sure the calendars are rewritten extensively.  Something tells me the civic and religious calendars are going to be commemorating the exploits of you-know-who for the next thousand years.

Meanwhile, FE2 does have that tidbit about Cellica being regarded as an incarnation of the earth goddess, so after she ascends to the heavens or whatever, I’ll bet she gets her own cult... and possibly receives some kind of formal deification, in the manner of a Roman emperor.  Alm, too, possibly-- he is referred to as the Holy King, after all, not the Warrior King or the Supreme Badass or Our King Who Is Better Than That Other Guy Over There --


Date: 2011-09-06 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sailorvfan10.livejournal.com

There is nothing I hate more than fics where people are celebrating holidays that just would not exist in their culture. There is no Christ in FE, therefore there is no Christmas. Or people named Chris for that matter, though IS ignored that one.

...is it bad that I feel that, after FE12, Altea (and maybe elsewhere) has a crapload of holidays...just for Marth? And that he really wishes his people wouldn't do things like that but he goes along with it anyway?

Date: 2011-09-06 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kyusil.livejournal.com
Or people named Chris for that matter, though IS ignored that one.

You could pretty much apply this to... any name in FE that isn't completely made up, though. None of the other mythologies from which they draw names exist in those worlds either. From what I've gathered, MyUnit is pretty much a godmoder anyway, so this might even be intentional.

Date: 2011-09-06 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mark-asphodel.livejournal.com
You could pretty much apply this to... any name in FE that isn't completely made up, though.

As in, "why is that wyvern named for the Greek god of the sun?"

I agree that "Chris" seems particularly jarring-- to a player in a majority-Christian culture, anyway.

MyUnit is pretty much a godmoder anyway, so this might even be intentional

I subscribe to the St. Christopher "man who carries the messiah" hypothesis when it comes to our boy Chris.

Date: 2011-09-07 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kyusil.livejournal.com
I subscribe to the St. Christopher "man who carries the messiah" hypothesis when it comes to our boy Chris.

Ooh, that works really well.

Date: 2011-09-06 08:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] raphiael
This. You've got scads of biblical and mythological names -- Chris might seem like an especially big "ouch, obvious", but I don't think from an outside view it's any worse than other myth/religion/folklore connected names, like Joshua, Matthew, Lugh and Lleu, and even that Marth/Mars deal.

And agreed with the idea that it could easily be intentional- there are a whole lot of clear connections to the name-roots going on across FE, and to a culture that isn't predominately Christian, it probably doesn't feel much different than a Westerner might feel slapping "Shiva" or something like that on a character.
Edited Date: 2011-09-06 08:32 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-09-06 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mark-asphodel.livejournal.com
And that he really wishes his people wouldn't do things like that but he goes along with it anyway?

I'd say the holidays fall into the following categories for Marth and other ruler FE characters (not necessarily Ike):

1) Big military victories. I'd bet money the Alteans celebrate their liberation from Dolhr in 604/605. The Grustians probably celebrate the expulsion of Lang and company in 607. The problem in FE is, depending on who conquers whom, this could be pretty divisive.

2) State holidays designed for personal exaltation of the sovereign, established during one's reign-- it's standard to celebrate birthdays and/or reign anniversaries (UK monarchs even have an "official" birthday regardless of when they're born). I'd expect that under future reigns, Marth's accession is celebrated as a more generic rah-rah Unification Day that everyone is supposed to feel involved in-- but you can bet the future Archanean rulers celebrate how long they, personally, have been around, as well.

3) Commemoration after the fact-- something like Victoria Day, which is still celebrated in Canada at the least. Frex, even if Eirika should leave Renais, future generations might celebrate Eirika Day as some kind of pleasant spring/summer holiday. Something like that.

4) Religious holidays co-opted for state/political purposes-- dangerous ground here, but you can imagine.
Edited Date: 2011-09-06 08:41 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-09-06 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] writerawakened.livejournal.com
There is nothing I hate more than fics where people are celebrating holidays that just would not exist in their culture. There is no Christ in FE, therefore there is no Christmas. Or people named Chris for that matter, though IS ignored that one.

Yeah, but by that logic, no FE script could never use the word "vandal". Or "Barbarian". Or "Berserker." Or have people named Rebbecca, Lot, Noah, etc. (all of which are FE characters, by the way). Personally, I don't see how Chris is such an oddball name compared to all those (although I will give you how wrong it would seem for actual Christmas to be celebrated in a fantasy world :P)

Date: 2011-09-07 03:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sailorvfan10.livejournal.com
Well yeah, actual Christmas is what I was driving at. With Christmas trees and going to church and all that stuff. They could have something like that but I doubt it'd be like Christmas or something. They could have a gift-giving thing or whatever, but they wouldn't be celebrating Christ's birthday, because he doesn't exist. THAT'S what I was trying to say.

Date: 2011-09-07 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mark-asphodel.livejournal.com
FWIW, I feel the same way about stories that have St. Valentine's day going on...

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